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#1 2023-05-28 09:15:15

knyazs
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ID Card 11cm x 5.5cm, Proxmark3 v4.01 can't detect tag

Hello Proxmark community,

I recently purchased Proxmark3 v4.01 and tried to read my ID card, but unsuccessfully.

The only tag that is scanned was Indala (looks like false reading as there is always a different ID scanned.

The card looks like an extended CR100 ID card (11cm x 5.5cm).

What are the next steps? Can I try something else?

Thanks,

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#2 2023-05-29 06:12:12

iceman
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Re: ID Card 11cm x 5.5cm, Proxmark3 v4.01 can't detect tag

are you running latest source on your proxmark3?

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#3 2023-05-29 15:10:02

knyazs
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Re: ID Card 11cm x 5.5cm, Proxmark3 v4.01 can't detect tag

Yes, the latest source for RDV4 (rdv4-20230527-328e5461f8896f1a26295dc5fe573cbdc5e81549).

I did pm3-flash-fullimage then pm3-flash-bootrom, but then code failed on pm3-flash-all as it complains:
[!] Using pm3-flash-all on an oudated bootloader, use pm3-flash-bootrom first!
Press any key to continue . . .

Anyhow, I ignored this message and when I start pm3 and type "hw status" this message appears:

Smart card module (ISO 7816)
[#]   version................. v3.10
[#]     Outdated firmware. Please upgrade to v4.x or above.

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#4 2023-05-29 20:30:19

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Re: ID Card 11cm x 5.5cm, Proxmark3 v4.01 can't detect tag

Follow the instructions on the repo on how to flash the sim module.

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#5 2023-05-31 16:41:46

knyazs
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Re: ID Card 11cm x 5.5cm, Proxmark3 v4.01 can't detect tag

Can you share the link, please?

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#6 2023-06-02 06:53:28

fazer
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Re: ID Card 11cm x 5.5cm, Proxmark3 v4.01 can't detect tag

Hello, look in the doc of your pm3, there are all the instructions to update.
https://lab401.com/blogs/academy/proxmark-basics-updating-firmware-on-windows-linux

good day.

Last edited by fazer (2023-06-02 08:46:06)

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#7 2023-06-02 19:51:30

knyazs
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Re: ID Card 11cm x 5.5cm, Proxmark3 v4.01 can't detect tag

I did follow this video before.
At 2:43 instruction says "Make sure that Smart Card module is at least 3.11", but my version is 3.10 and I don't know how to update it.
What is this Smart Card module? Does it affect reading capabilities?

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#8 2023-06-04 07:25:31

fazer
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Re: ID Card 11cm x 5.5cm, Proxmark3 v4.01 can't detect tag

For the first use it is necessary to follow this documentation. It is in pm3/doc/md/use_of_proxmark/configuration_and_verification.md
Hello, try smart -h
smart upgrade -h
smart upgrade -f sim013.bin
hw status
After you can follow the video for upgrade to smart 4.13
Have a good day.

Last edited by fazer (2023-06-04 07:36:26)

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#9 2023-06-04 11:58:11

knyazs
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Re: ID Card 11cm x 5.5cm, Proxmark3 v4.01 can't detect tag

Thanks, Fazer, that was very straightforward!

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#10 2023-06-05 11:18:44

fazer
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Re: ID Card 11cm x 5.5cm, Proxmark3 v4.01 can't detect tag

Hello, I think we don't read enough of the ready-made documentation in the pm3, everything is very well explained there.
Good day.

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#11 2023-06-10 10:03:35

knyazs
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Re: ID Card 11cm x 5.5cm, Proxmark3 v4.01 can't detect tag

Agree, fazer. Do you have a link for the specific documentation you referred me to?

On the other hand, I am still unable to read my card. v4.01 does not recognize it most of the time and only sometimes I get (most probably) some false positives.

Is there a way to proceed from here?

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#12 2023-06-10 10:11:31

knyazs
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Re: ID Card 11cm x 5.5cm, Proxmark3 v4.01 can't detect tag

I got the following suggestion for possible card types based on the provided dimensions (11cm x 5.4cm) and considering long-range RFID cards:

* UHF (860-960 MHz)
* ISO 18000-6C Cards
* EPC Class 1 Gen 2 Cards
* Active RFID Cards (this is not the case, my one has no battery)

Do any of the above ring the bell? Any help in reading would be appreciated.

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#13 2023-06-10 10:21:42

fazer
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Re: ID Card 11cm x 5.5cm, Proxmark3 v4.01 can't detect tag

Hello Knyazs, look already in /pm3/doc/md there are quite a few things to start with, then there are two sliders slider on antenna LF 125 F 134 & 14 Q 7 try to change the values 14 Q 7 & frequency 125khz .
Launch the cmd auto also to have a bigger scan.
If you know the ref of your card, you need the doc of this card.
Good day.

Here is an invite https://discord.gg/QfPvGFRQxH

Last edited by fazer (2023-06-10 11:24:50)

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