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#1 2015-04-25 20:16:00

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Latest PM3 from China

Yeah baby!

I just got my hands on the latest PM3 mod from China.
Small,  good contacts for antenna,  can have a battery,   smaller antennas,  decent output
Looks really professional!

I bought 2 of these,  will sell them on the swedish version of ebay!

For you all PCBA hardware guys,  I reliazed I got this:
http://www.icesql.se/proxmark3/pm3rdv1/ … iagram.rar


HW VER:
uC: AT91SAM7S256 Rev B
Embedded Processor: ARM7TDMI
Nonvolatile Program Memory Size: 256K bytes
Second Nonvolatile Program Memory Size: None
Internal SRAM Size: 64K bytes
Architecture Identifier: AT91SAM7Sxx Series
Nonvolatile Program Memory Type: Embedded Flash Memory
Measuring antenna characteristics, please wait.........
# LF antenna: 18.56 V @   125.00 kHz
# LF antenna: 15.81 V @   134.00 kHz
# LF optimal: 18.70 V @   123.71 kHz
# HF antenna: 16.41 V @    13.56 MHz

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#2 2015-04-26 00:11:21

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

THe jtag connector is no more present; is there a way to connect jtag to it ?

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#3 2015-04-26 00:27:46

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

If you look near the usb-cable there is 6pin-holes,  this is where you hook up the jtag .


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#4 2015-04-26 12:47:56

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

Interesting. What are is the AT91SAM? 256/512?
Cost?
Seller?


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#5 2015-04-26 13:55:44

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

@0xFFFF
I updated my first post,
if you search on taobao you'll find the ad.  There is only one who sell this model.


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#6 2015-04-27 11:39:08

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

Thanks iceman.
Pity the Atmel is the AT91SAM7S256. Otherwise it's a very nice build.


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#7 2015-04-27 11:49:52

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

I don't know if you have a special build,  but I have a radiowars 512kb version I really don't see that the sourcecode uses it anywhere.  I could of course have missunderstood how the arm uses memory,  but I think its for static memory like where we flash the images to.  But then, the 512kb version could also be faster, which I have no idea about.

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#8 2015-04-27 12:26:30

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

I have a special build on a modified Proxmark that uses some of the additional internal high-speed flash (AT91SAM7S512).
I found the Proxmark on taobao. It's a reasonable price.


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#9 2015-04-27 13:01:19

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

Cool, would you mind sharing it with me?  So I can use it for my radiowar modded version.

To be honest, I think for what you get with regards for size, antenna and mmcx  I think its a great price.

And it look really professional now, you will look serious when you do your fieldtesting or presentation



Actually, I think I will email the manufacturer Elechouse and ask if they can make a 512kb version also.

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#10 2015-04-27 15:28:44

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

Indeed, this board looks very sweet! Finally someone who dared to replace the ridiculous hirose connector wink
I quickly tried to find it on taobao but I could not locate it.
- Can you share a link?
- What did it cost you (including shipping/handling)?
- Would anyone be interested in organizing a group buy?

Thanks a lot in advance!

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#11 2015-04-27 15:36:04

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

Not to be insulting or anything, but when you search for "proxmark3" on taobao,  the third ad shows this orange version and its the only ad selling this mod.

When it comes to group buys its only good if you are in the same region,    like US or europe, oceania,  because of import duty and shipping costs.   If someone in US order 10pieces , has to pay for it to come to US, and pay duty tax,  then  send it and more duty tax for europe.     Just sayin'.


I recommend you join up for the different regions and do a group buy. 

I paid about 1800SEK in total to get it to Sweden with shipping,  import tax, VAT & custom general fees.


But man is it worth it, just because of the professional look 'n feel.

I'm gonna mail the manufaturer and ask if they can make a 512kb version,  if there is more interested?

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#12 2015-04-27 16:08:35

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

I found my own picture (above in post1) in an ad for this pm3 mod,  on taobao...   That means that the creators of the PM3 RVD1 version reads this thread.   I guess I just need to ask straight out here instead,  if they can make a 512kb version?

Just to clarify to the community,   I'm not associated with these people.  I just bought 2 pieces. 


http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a23 … =17#detail


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#13 2015-04-27 19:35:51

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

funny that they used your image.. smile  i like the battery port options, and the antenna ports.  LCD would be a nice addition.  I'm curious the effect of the clock source changes in practice. 

i might be interested in 1, but alas, i'm in the US.

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#14 2015-04-27 20:14:16

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

With this one,   all trouble I had with @piwi's changes is gone.  Some tags with "hf mf mifare" took long time on my other ones,  takes 19sec with this one.

Both LF / HF tags works.  I tried S50/S70 (magic / normal), UL / UL-C / UL-EV1 / Desfire,  skidata,  em410x, t5577 and hid proxcard,   and I can read em all.  "hf mf mifare" "hf mf nested" all works.   So I don't see the clock as a major issue, but thats my opinion.


Big plus is mmcx connectors,  and now I get both LF / HF at the same time.  Not that it really has a impact,  but the need for swapping antennas is gone. smile

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#15 2015-04-27 20:23:14

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

yeah, i don't like swapping antennas, so i fixed that with a custom cable:

proxmark3> hw tune

Measuring antenna characteristics, please wait........
# LF antenna: 46.48 V @   125.00 kHz
# LF antenna: 24.06 V @   134.00 kHz
# LF optimal: 46.61 V @   123.71 kHz
# HF antenna: 11.17 V @    13.56 MHz
Displaying LF tuning graph. Divisor 89 is 134khz, 95 is 125khz.

but MMCX would be nice.
Thanks for your tests/experience.

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#16 2015-04-27 20:27:04

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

I like your LF antenna...  Did you make it yourself?  I would like to have one with 46v to my old PM3 smile


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#17 2015-04-27 20:35:25

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

yeah i made them. i've got 4 of them around 45v now.  small ones for some tiny tags, and big ones for different tests.  but i usually use just one medium sized one. (3 pictured below)
Zy9ndRw.jpg

basically followed:http://www.proxmark.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=90

but that isn't what this thread is about. if you'd like to know more email me. smile

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#18 2015-04-28 03:12:14

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

iceman wrote:

Cool, would you mind sharing it with me?  So I can use it for my radiowar modded version.

eMail sent.


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#19 2015-04-28 21:10:40

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

Do you guys know what FPGA/ADC chips they have used?

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#20 2015-04-28 21:18:39

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

@vivat: does this make sense?    "Xilinx, spartan, xc2s30 , vq100ams0437, d2196132A , 5c"


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#21 2015-05-21 21:15:58

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

Found this: http://www.elechouse.com/elechouse/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=90_93&products_id=2261

@iceman, what was their response to your question about a 512kb version?

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#22 2015-05-21 21:22:41

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

That kit has a case and an battery connector for soldering on yourself. Cool.
However, the price went up....

I haven't heard something from the people. They obviously took my pic from this thread and used it but they never answered my open question here in this thread.


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#23 2015-05-21 21:30:26

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

Yeah, but it is less expensive than the rysc one, and it is without the crappy hirose connector. I will give it a try. In particular as with my rysc one too many "can't select card" errors occur using hf mf mifare and hf mf dump.

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#24 2015-05-21 21:36:47

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

I still suggest you order it from taobao,  besides the case and battery connector, is much cheaper.
Well, it all depends on where you located in the world and how much you want it smile


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#25 2015-05-26 19:25:38

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

Saw that there is a new version released by the developer: RDV version 2.0.

You got your wish, now 512kb memory  smile
It's cheaper too smile

Check it out here: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.20141002.5.YZkAlo&scm=1007.10009.6098.i44011196753&id=45630625291&pvid=1ee730ef-f334-49f9-a986-e48a06f89075

I just bought one. They will only start delivering from June 10 onwards I think.

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#26 2015-05-26 19:30:01

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

big_smile  *great*


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#27 2015-05-29 11:19:37

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

DingYao wrote:

Saw that there is a new version released by the developer: RDV version 2.0.

You got your wish, now 512kb memory  smile
It's cheaper too smile

Check it out here: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.20141002.5.YZkAlo&scm=1007.10009.6098.i44011196753&id=45630625291&pvid=1ee730ef-f334-49f9-a986-e48a06f89075

I just bought one. They will only start delivering from June 10 onwards I think.

At the top of the listing they have "Foreign customers do not pay, please click on this link:" hmm


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#28 2015-05-29 13:03:30

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

0xFFFF wrote:

At the top of the listing they have "Foreign customers do not pay, please click on this link:" hmm

My guess is that they don't want to bother with foreigners and their stupid questions. So they redirect you to a seller who speaks English. You might probably get that board from that other seller if you ask him.
But if you have an account on Tao with some buying history, they will not care that you are a foreigner. (please note that there is a limit of 1000 or 2000 YUAN for international credit card)

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#29 2015-05-29 13:11:20

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

I talked with the seller. That is exactly what I thought.
The main store is for China and around. If you are from Europe, US, or else; talk with the other store (link provided in the description).
Same team, different staff.

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#30 2015-05-29 13:27:47

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

app_o1 wrote:

I talked with the seller. That is exactly what I thought.
The main store is for China and around. If you are from Europe, US, or else; talk with the other store (link provided in the description).
Same team, different staff.

Ok. Fair enough.

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#31 2015-10-22 11:24:31

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

I've heard some feedback about the RVD version 2.

Improvments suggestions,   if they are reading this thread.
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- multi color led ABCD  instead of all red?
- Spartan III ?  instead of the II ?
- micro SD for storage?


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#32 2015-10-22 15:59:03

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

hmmm.. maybe i'll wait for the 3 before i buy my next pm3 wink

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#33 2015-10-22 16:50:49

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I heard a rumor that the RDV 3 will have a EEPROM and LCD contact...


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#34 2015-10-23 07:56:36

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

Potentially a dumb question: Does the standard PM3 codebase fully support this hardware?

Thanks,
tjhowse.

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#35 2015-10-23 09:20:56

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Not sure which hardware you are refering to but I saw a fork on GitHub where a user has soldered an eeprom to his pm3 and was adding the changes in sourcecode.  Thats where I got the rumor about the RDV3...


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#36 2015-10-26 00:37:25

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

http://world.taobao.com/item/520133451479.htm?fromSite=main

This is the particular one I'm looking at.

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#37 2015-10-26 20:25:13

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

This version is fully compatible with actual software. Elechouse change the microcontroller but replace it with a bigger flash size.
RDV2.0 is a very great PM3.

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#38 2015-10-26 20:40:21

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There should a quite a few ppl who bought the RDV2.0 and it should be 100% compatible as @meter says.   I have the RDV1.0 and it works 100%.


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#39 2015-11-10 02:30:33

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

I posted a link on how to use standalone mode for emulating tags  here it is again if you need it
http://www.legacysecuritygroup.com/index.php/categories/9-rfid/7-proxmark-3-emulating-hid-tags-in-standalone-mode

Not trying to spam just help anyone that may need it

I am very pleased with the board so far no issues other than having to figure this out without documentation


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#40 2016-02-12 15:57:13

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

Hi

I need a new board since i have too much problems with the pm3 from fpga.

Anyone have tested it


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#41 2016-02-13 02:25:14

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

seems that you ask about the board similar to this one
http://www.proxmark.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2788

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#42 2016-02-13 10:17:50

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

yes.
I would like any feedback about it and if it would work fine with the proxmark3 software

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#43 2016-02-14 03:37:33

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Re: Latest PM3 from China

http://www.proxmark.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=17995

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